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User-generated, my…ass?

We took a poll, and you know what unanimously annoys the fuck out of us? Hypocrisy.

Not “Hey, I used to think this, but now that I’ve grown up to be less of an ass, I think this instead. Fortune is like woman: loves youth, and is fickle.” That’s…humanity. Hypocrisy is more like:


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Oh.

When you say you’ll only delete comments in a dire emergency, but “dire emergency” just means anything that annoys you, and when everyone is being polite except you and you’re the one everyone says is so nice…We’re beginning to wonder if maybe we just don’t have the same definition of “nice” as everyone else. This blogger is using Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th Edition. Can someone check Oxford for us? Nonnie, is that where you got “a hypocrite and quick to lash out at people that upset [one], condemning those that do the same” from?

Maybe nice is actually some type of affliction, and anyone suffering from it is seen as being in delicate health and unable to help themselves.

There’s an eerie parallel between accepting praise for a story one didn’t write, and enjoying a reputation one does little to earn…

BTW if you don't like this post then FIX YOUR DAMN MOUSE AND JUST SCROLL THE FUCK PAST RAWR!

What’s that? Who are we to give orders? Who the hell do you THINK we are?!

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163 responses to “User-generated, my…ass?

  1. Is that cheese? February 14, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Apparently discussing something in a civil manner is considered “beating a dead horse.” Good thing GAW isn’t in charge of the dictionary. By all means, let’s just shove that plagiarism topic under the rug and get back to what’s important: Bobby Long, games, boy bands, and don’t even think about asking for a lost fic on an undesignated day!

  2. Alby Mangroves February 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    Like I said earlier, I don’t reallyl feel welcome there. Perhaps I’ve put this condition onto myself as I will now freely admit, i don’t know who Bobby Long is…

    • Anonymouse February 14, 2011 at 7:59 pm

      My life was happier when I didn’t either.

      Actually, he was a musician I always intended to get round to listening to, but since her over the top promotion campaign, which was closer to spam than most spam I’ve ever received, it’ll be too soon if I never see his name again.

      • solareclipses February 14, 2011 at 9:22 pm

        That’s kind of a silly reason to not like someone’s music. Every musician has rabid/spammy fans.

        • Anonymouse February 14, 2011 at 9:47 pm

          It’s not about liking or not liking his music. It’s about never ever wanting to listen to it. Hearing his name now annoys me and I’ve spoken to other people who said they feel the same way. She’s actually achieved the opposite of what she set out to do.

          (I would and have had the same reaction to other overexposed musicians, but that’s usually been the cumulative effect of many fans, not one person).

          • Anonymous February 14, 2011 at 10:38 pm

            I agree completely with this. If someone had said check out this great musician Bobby Long I would’ve done just that. It’s got to the point where even the mention of his name annoys me. It’s completely irrational I know but I just can’t help it. I feel like i’ve been beaten over the head with this guy every time i’ve logged onto ADF.

        • Ralph S. mouse February 15, 2011 at 12:57 am

          Still, a person can ruin something for you even if you would have loved it otherwise. I’ve heard other people say that if a comment has a person’s face in the icon it’s like it’s that person talking, and Snacky on Fandom Wank uses X Files icons a lot. She’s such a disgusting person that now whenever I see Mulder or Scully pictures anywhere I think of her taunting and jeering at everyone and get that sick feeling for a minute. I could never watch that show now, even though I love paranormal stories.

          • The Sound and the Fury February 15, 2011 at 9:51 pm

            I just had to comment when I saw this; I have been turned off so many things because of people’s icons! But it can also go the other way. For the longest time the Bones posts were getting to me, too, to the point where I thought if I never saw a picture of DB again, it’d be too soon. But then during that apparently infamous 🙂 giving campfire in December I asked for food and a lady with a Bones icon brought me bags of it. I literally had two pieces of bread to my name, and because of that icon I felt drawn to Bones and watched about four seasons in the space of a couple weeks. Every time I think of Bones now I think of spaghetti, because that’s what I had the night she came over. 🙂

            I’m reminded of that scene from one of the Anne of Green Gables books where either Anne or Diana said she used to love the names Gertie and Josie until she met the Pyes, and that people can make their names ugly or beautiful depending on how they act. Apropos.

      • Is that cheese? February 14, 2011 at 9:38 pm

        I don’t feel strongly about Bobby Long. I’ve heard some of his songs and he’s not offensive, but I don’t love him either. But what I DO find offensive is his promise to release something only when he got a certain number of Twitter followers. That’s right up there with ff authors who hold chapters ransom until they get a certain number of reviews.

  3. solareclipses February 14, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    I like A Different Forest, but then I’m completely realistic with what I’m getting into when I go there. Some parts of the community are fun to be in (really good discussions and fic recommendation campfires are had there on a fairly regular basis–a fact that is rarely brought up by people who hate the site), but there are constant double standards, ideas that never come to fruition (the 12 days of Christmas contest turned out to be–what?–three? lol), a strange and inconsistent half-ban on certain Renesmee things (because, apparently, the parts of the canon world you don’t like, don’t exist!), etc.

    I think a lot of people expect to go to ADF and find a big community site that is run with as much objectivity and fairness as possible. A “democracy,” ADF is not, though it is what it looks like on the surface, as you come to expect forums to be that way. For better or worse, you learn eventually that ADF is kind of like a personal site that’s grown to house a whole boatload of users. Being like a personal site in some regards essentially means there are a few fairly open dictators. It’s certainly not always GAW, by the way; I think that should be stated clearly.

    I do think ADF’s double standards and the like are backfiring. I don’t think the site will last if it continues its current level of unfairness. The community has (mostly) slowed to a crawl on days that aren’t “free for all,” and I think it’s because a lot of people feel unwelcome, maybe especially when it comes to posting campfires, which is what keeps the site going. I think it takes people like me, who don’t get flustered by much of anything and tend to just laugh off the inanity, to enjoy ADF. Truth be told, though, I’d participate in another community over it if I could find one. The LiveJournal communities are out for me, because I’d rather chew my hand off than use LJ on a regular basis. I haven’t found anything else.

    Strangely, I think it’s the Bobby Long stuff that has annoyed me the most about ADF. I’m a lover of indie music, and I like some of Bobby Long’s stuff, but I’m sad that he’s the only indie musician that gets this kind of free marketing in the fandom. If we’re going to do that shit, there are even a few indie musicians who’ve been around longer and sound a lot like him (Gregory Alan Isakov and Joe Purdy), but recommending them is a lost cause. Kind of sad. Says to me it’s not necessarily about quality, then. But then again, I face the fact that ADF is not about fairness/equality; it is a personal site that happens to have a forum.

    • Is that cheese? February 14, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      I lurk in a few places and the only one I’ve seen that seems to have a harmonious and genuinely open and respectful community is the Ravelry UU one. Now maybe it’s all on the surface and there is some unhappiness behind the scenes, but I haven’t sensed that.

      ADF definitely has a strong moderator presence. Before the Bobby Long posts, there were the Bones posts. Oy.

    • Ralph S. mouse February 15, 2011 at 1:00 am

      Oh, that 12 days thing! I was sitting there wondering if they’d continued and I just missed the posts or something. I know that sounds stupid but I couldn’t figure out why absolutely no one said a word about it!
      I thought at the time that it’s like so much in fandom, they start something up to get attention and drop it as soon as they get bored.

    • Have to say February 15, 2011 at 3:55 pm

      Yes I’ve been wondering about the lack of follow-up to the Christmas contests. They were fun. The “canon” story contest was a treat and the Christmas sweater contest was hilarious. But I don’t think we ever found out the winners of the last two contests!

    • Have to say February 15, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      But you just know that if you brought up the topic “What happened to the contests and who gets the prizes for the last two contests?” you’d be accused of pressuring people who are volunteers and have families and jobs and are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts!

      • Anonymous February 15, 2011 at 4:42 pm

        “But you just know that if you brought up the topic “What happened to the contests and who gets the prizes for the last two contests?” you’d be accused of pressuring people who are volunteers and have families and jobs and are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts!”

        Followed shortly after by …. a love campfire, lol.

      • Anonymouse February 16, 2011 at 12:51 am

        Erm, I won a contest on ADF waaaaaaaay waaaaay back and never got my prize, even after a few gentle PMs in the relevant rangers direction.

  4. Anonymouse February 14, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    I actually don’t mind most of the other rangers but I have stopped using ADF. The mantra that all opinions are welcomed is often said but barely survives scrutiny, and to have any influence around the site you have to be an author that is friends with one of the rangers (and you’ll eventually be promoted to VIP author status, in which case you’re officially a cool kid and in the club).

    I used to really enjoy it but either my view of it has changed or the site itself has changed, and not for the better. Making GAW a ranger wasn’t a well-thought out decision, because (IMO) she doesn’t have the maturity to be a moderator. When there are campfires that need someone to step in and give a gentle warning or steer the conversation back on topic, her contribution is usually pretty inflammatory and/or does nothing to help the situation. There was a post a while back about racism, and while everyone else was actually treading carefully and trying to give well-thought out opinions, her response was ‘THIS MAKES ME UNHAPPY’ (or words to that affect). It didn’t actually achieve anything.

    The only reason, as far as I can tell, she got promoted to ranger was the fact that she was usually around all day anyway, but she doesn’t have the necessary skills, and she’s the main culprit when it comes to abusing privileges. Funny how she’s essentially now the main dictator when at one time she was just another camper like the rest of us (< I'm only part of 'us' in the past tense).

    • My adf rant February 14, 2011 at 10:10 pm

      I agree with all of this. It’s gone down hill in many ways but the introduction of Grown Ass Woman as a ranger was a bad idea. She seems to look on the site as her own persona play pen and lacks the maturity to deal with any sort of complex discussion where emotions are running high.

    • Ralph S. mouse February 14, 2011 at 10:14 pm

      That’s the word I’d use for several of them (immature). It was a mod who put up that manip of Rob giving oral sex and said “Lettuce discuss” way back last winter. It was a mod who, in the very first “giving” post, stepped in and asked specifically for paid LJ time when almost no one else asked for anything (I think a couple asked for banners) wihtout it having been offered first. Mods throw tantrums, post drunk, start fights. Maybe it’s being a mod outside of fandom that makes me oversensitive, but people in charge aren’t supposed to do that. Especially ask for favors; it’s a power imbalance. It’d be like if your boss asked someone to pay for their lunch; you don’t HAVE to, but there’s the implication that the first one to offer will get attention.

      • Ralph S. mouse February 14, 2011 at 10:23 pm

        Oh and I forgot to mention- when Emibella posted in that giving campfire before Christmas that her husband wouldn’t have any money if the unemployment extension thing didn’t pass (which it did later that night) and asked for things for Christmas, I had mixed feelings because of the whole mod asking=power imbalance thing. No you don’t HAVE to, but there will always be people who feel obligated because it’s a mod. But I know what it’s like to be scared that you’ll lose everything. I sent her a PM saying I couldn’t spare any money because I was also on unemployment, but that I was praying for things to get better for her family, etc. She never responded, which I thought was so rude because she was asking for people to help her but couldn’t be bothered to answer unless you had something she wanted.

      • Is that cheese? February 14, 2011 at 11:20 pm

        I missed that lovely oral sex manip campfire. Is that the same ranger who made a campfire about the High Anxiety epilogues? She loves to throw stuff out there just to watch people get nasty.

        Rangers asking for things is extremely wrong.

        • Ralph S. mouse February 15, 2011 at 12:53 am

          I just spent WAAAAAAAAAAAY too much time looking through the archives from the date I joined, and I can’t find it. I think I know who it was but I’d rather not say because it was about a year ago and I can’t remember what I ate this morning. She might have deleted it. I passed the place where the first “pay it forward” campfire should have been too (based on seeing posts referencing it) and it’s gone. Don’t know why they do that.

          Thank god someone else thinks rangers asking for stuff/favors is wrong; I always thought I was one of those negative people they keep talking about!

          • onoyguyg February 15, 2011 at 4:39 am

            Agreed. If you need donations to maintain the site, that’s one thing. Of course, that’s why they have all those incredibly annoying ads everywhere, so I guess they don’t need that.

          • Ralph S. mouse February 15, 2011 at 8:46 pm

            Well now I’m just confusing myself. I did find *a* giving campfire, but it’s days and days after HMonster posted about the pay it forward. Huh.

            Anyway, it was pixievamp, who was a ranger at the time, and she asked for paid LJ time and baked goods.


            http://www.adifferentforest.com/Campfire_Comment.aspx?ID=2942

            More people asked for things than I thought, but with her a ranger it made me a little angry. Plus giving a list was weird.

            • Is that cheese? February 15, 2011 at 8:54 pm

              There was a giving campfire in early December 2010 and it was the one where Emibella asked for stuff for her kids for Christmas. I think the only other ranger who asked for something in that particular campfire was Capricorn. So I guess there have been multiple campfires of this sort.

              I do think it’s very nice when people offer things unsolicited, but as you wrote — a list is weird.

    • Is that cheese? February 14, 2011 at 10:21 pm

      The only reason I visit ADF, other than rubbernecking, is for the story recommendations. Like you, I think the site has changed and I’m not sure why. For me, it seems like more people know each other so it’s become a tighter circle. I think there are 15000 members, but about 50 seem to post regularly. Many campfire comments are just back and forth among 3-4 people.

      I liked GAW a lot more before she because a ranger. Maybe it’s inevitable that the loud-mouthed rangers are the ones who will post the most. The ones who seem more low-key and even-tempered, like jando and wolvesnvamps, barely post.

      • onoyguyg February 15, 2011 at 5:45 am

        “The ones who seem more low-key and even-tempered, like {…} wolvesnvamps, barely post.”

        I get the impression that wolvesnvamps doesn’t post because she is explicitly not low-key and even-tempered and knows better. Jandco seems to be shy.

        • Anonymous February 15, 2011 at 2:11 pm

          I don’t think WTVOC is that even tempered however she does seem able to take criticism better than other rangers (I maybe wrong and have missed the campfires where she showed this).
          I think Jandco is probably the best of the bunch (although I disagreed with her decision to pull fics so people were forced to join adf). She doesn’t seem to play on her position and her responses are always light hearted and well thought out when it comes to disagreements. She seems willing to view things from different points of view. My only problem would be she doesn’t show herself enough and therefore the wise words and calming influence is rarely put to use.

          • Is that cheese? February 15, 2011 at 4:48 pm

            Well, if we’re naming names, the absolute worst of the rangers is Tor. She should save her sh*t for the gazebo. I’m not sure why someone like her is even in the fandom. She hates and mocks everyone and everything. I haven’t seen much of wolvesnvamps, so I could be wrong about her attitude. She might be doing an excellent job of hiding her real nature. WTVOC and Jennyfly seem irritable, but at least I don’t sense that they’re fake nice on the surface and bitches behind doors. I think Capricorn is hilarious when she posts; I think littlesecret is a min-Tor and only joined to spam ADF with KStew. Did I miss anyone?

            • Ralph S. mouse February 15, 2011 at 5:28 pm

              Tor is a nightmare. It’s hard enough just to see her antics on the gazebo, but I know what to expect over there by now. I have never commented once since that revolting incident where they banned green goldfish and damenellie and then twatlight posted pictures of a dead goldfish. It doesn’t matter whether they should have been banned or not (but really, ban them and not custard kisses? And why say no personal attacks and then let friends of the mods do any attacking they want?), that was no better than what happened to the girl who translated MOTU. And poor abused Tor was whining in the next “honesty” post that no one likes her because she’s so mean, boo hoo.

              She was in that campfire about krismom saying “I can’t stop laughing at this, tears in my eyes.” Again, it’s just not mod behavior. She’s trashly, like people who hang out car windows and throw bottles at people on the sidewalk, or start fights in bars. You don’t act that way and then expect everyone else to respect you as a moderator.

              • Is that cheese? February 15, 2011 at 5:53 pm

                I dropped out of the gazebo once I realized that in spite of the “we’re not srs bsns” line that Jenn and Tor were indeed very serious business about letting their friends get nasty and personal, while refusing the extend the same courtesy (or really, any courtesy whatsoever) to everyone else.

                It should come as no surprise to Tor and company that no one likes them. They seem to brag about how mean they are at every opportunity.

              • Ellie February 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm

                Completely agree about Tor she’s so aggressive and unpleasant. Why join a community if you’re just going to treat people like crap and then cry about it in honesty/love campfires so people feel compelled to tell you your behaviour is acceptable. I find littlesecrets Kstew obsession irritating (the kstew posts have become ridiculous). Wolvesnvamps is pretty low key but seems ok. Both Jennyfly and wtvoc can be aggressive (jennyfly in particular) which intimidates a lot of the users and they don’t speak their mind.
                What incident with green goldfish are you referring too? I remember the user name but was unaware that she was banned……………..?

  5. My adf rant February 14, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    I’ve posted about this before. ADF use to be a pretty chilled place to hang out. I originally joined because Jandco deleted her stories fron FF and moved them to ADF (Nice girl but a crappy thing to do in my opinion. Her stories so her choice I don’t question that but making people join a fandom to access them…pretty crappy thing to do is all i’m saying). I found some of the posts rather nauseating but I just scrolled straight through.
    Lately something strange seems to be happening they’ve implemented more rules than a military state. Only post this campfire on this day, that campfire on that day and if you place a comment I don’t like it shall be deleted. You’re looking for a fic? I don’t think so buddy it’s not the scheduled day and if you dare to post that campfire I in retaliation will post my own. Making it clear how irritating and pathetic you are and have all the campers come join me in showing you just who runs this site and who is loved.
    They claim it’s a ‘user generated site’ but as soon as a camper dares to question anything suddenly they’re made to feel like a trouble maker. Love posts will go up to support ADF and the rangers who seem to have become horrifically traumatised by a camper asking some good basic common sense questions about site policies.
    If there is a campfire which the campers dislike (like those irritating Bobby Long campfires) well you just scroll on down (don’t even get me started on GAW). It’s a ranger post and they can do whatever they like. Because although they say it’s user generated it’s really not. The rangers say jump and the campers response should be how high.
    Lets be honest the rangers have no wish for the site to really be ‘user generated’ they want a private site for their own topics of interest and then love posts where members tell them how fabulous they are if they’re feeling a little insecure.
    I’ve posted it before but it’s just sooo perfect for this discussion. You want the most accurate description of ADF? Here ya go ; )

    • missbluejuju February 15, 2011 at 12:08 am

      I think a lot of the campfire problems are related to the way the site is structured. Unlike a normal forum where the more commented topics live on at the top of the pile, ADF is in a blog format. It makes it easy for good discussion posts to get buried underneath (usually repetitive, unfortunately, despite LJ Summers’ rec fires) questions/requests/help me find this fic posts/etc. While there is a ‘sticky’ feature that’ll keep something at the top, it’s used mostly for fires started by Rangers or camper-made fires that have become a regular/weekly occurrence, not for ‘hot topic’, heavily commented-on fires. While I understand that a forum structure would have its drawbacks–beaten to death and/or wanky topics would likely be stuck at the top til the post was killed by a moderator–I think it would work out better.

      NGL, I *like* ADF. Sure, there are aspects that I dislike (the VIP author thing should be worded differently, IMO, and I don’t think that VIPs need forums/cabins–I don’t see people posting in them often. And while I’m at it, the general site updating and maintenance is kinda poor–for example, the ‘ranger station’ hasn’t been updated to reflect changes in staff in quite a while. Plus, the ‘tag’ feature should be used a bit more, IMO–especially with request/amnesia posts so that people can go back easily and see if the topic of their fire has already been answered/covered. LOL.), but it’s not enough for me to flounce. I really do like it there.

      As for the krismom and omnific searches at the top of this page… TBH, the omnific wank campfires are usually spread out. A new fanfic is added to the ‘to be published’ list (*published* ::snerk::), and someone will, inevitably, start a fire about it. As we all know, this usually happens sporadically. The krismom plagiarism thing would’ve been two posts in two days about the same topic. I don’t agree with the attitude used to ‘moderate’ the second post, but I do agree with the general content. If someone had something to add about the subject, they should’ve gone into the older campfire. But, of course, they didn’t, because by then it was probably on another page, having been pushed back by whatever was there–requests, amnesia, look-how-hawt-so-and-so-is, twitters, whatever; I don’t know. I really do think that a change in structure/format would do ADF a world of good.

      • Anonymous February 15, 2011 at 1:21 am

        My issue with the krismom second post was that as a user generated site that camper had every right to post it. It was both twilight and fanfiction related. Personally I would’ve just ignored it as I had said all i wanted to say on the matter in the previous campfire. But GAWs insistence that all comments/the entire campfire would be deleted if the issue was raised again was in my opinion a pretty ugly and authoritarian view to take.
        I use to really enjoy the site and spent a lot of time on there and was an active member but lately the site in my opinion is becoming more and more unpleasant. The rules for which campfire you can post on which day and the attitude of the rangers means to me all the fun has gone out of it and I’m now purely an observer. It’s a shame and the fault lies purely with the administrators between their stricter and stricter rules on what can be posted and their dull contributions (GAWs bobby long campfires a perfect example) and the never ending love campfires which seem to be there purely as a ranger worshipping tool, I log on these days to laugh and shake my head.

        • missbluejuju February 15, 2011 at 3:16 am

          I’ve been thinking on it, and I do agree with you. It *is* advertised as a user-generated site, and so it should be.

          I think that a lot of the problems ADF has are actually technological issues that manifest into sh!t like this. As I said before, I think that if ADF were structured better–as a forum instead of a blog–and things were updated, most of the BS rules and the repetitive posts that make the Rangers snarky would disappear. (I am in no way excusing the behavior of some Rangers though. There comes a point where a person just needs to take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard for a while. Some Rangers and Campers have obviously not mastered this.) Anyway, at worst, there would be an occasional campfire by someone looking for a fic that would be quickly answered with either a link to the story or a previous campfire (with a reminder to search first via tags or the search engine, if they make it a bit more savvy), and then it would be buried quickly by more involved discussions. Repeats happen in every forum though, and no matter what the Rangers ban, they’ll continue to happen at ADF. Part of–if not most of–the reason for all of this drama is because the comm has been getting bigger. ADF needs to change to be able to handle that growth, instead of, well… this.

          At the very least, I think that if they’re set on getting the multiple fic requests/amnesia-type posts off the front page or limited, they should take one of those pretty little cabins and make its purpose solely for that. And then HEAVILY advertise its existence on the front page and update the rules to reflect the changes. Then back off and let the user-generated site be user-generated. Of course, that last should really be a given…

          • Is that cheese? February 15, 2011 at 3:25 am

            missbluejuju, I agree that a format change would solve a LOT of the problems. Having a forum with specific sections set up would cut down on duplicate posts. I visit ADF at least once per day and I never scroll past the first page. I’m sure I miss quite a few campfires. I imagine the people who are causing ranger rage with the same types of posts probably don’t log on enough to keep up with the posts. Also, some of the campfires are so image-heavy that it takes forever to load. I’m in no mood to scroll through pages and pages when my computer is struggling to open all of those Bobby Long photos.

          • solareclipses February 15, 2011 at 7:25 am

            As someone who makes her living from building sites, I agree with this 100 percent. From a technological standpoint, ADF is built horribly. I don’t know why they’ve insisted on building their own forum and content management system for this, considering there are literally hundreds of open source options out there that would do the same thing, and better, but they do what they do… The way they manage content definitely makes certain issues ten times worse than they would be with a better system.

          • Anonymous February 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm

            MissblujujuI agree with you about the layout. Like I said the camper had every right to post the second campfire about krismom but I think the reason it was posted was people who had logged into the site later in the day who wanted to discuss it couldn’t because it was by that point on the second page and so therefore wasn’t being seen/commented on. I personally think that the sticky posts the rangers use to keep a subject at the top should’ve been used for a campfire like that (as it had the highest comments that day) so everyone could put their 2 cents in then when the campfire had died down it moves down the bottom of the page. Everyone has contributed and had their say and no one feels the need for a second campfire to discuss the topic because they missed out.

            As for the rules about recs/ amnesia campfires the reason it annoys me is say I suddenly wanted to re-read a fic but can’t remember the name. The fact that i’d have to wait 5 or 6 days to ask is pretty ridiculous and also means that i’d have to schedule myself so I was in front of my computer at the right time on that day. C’mon it’s FF I barely organise my time that well when it come to work, lol. If they don’t want to go the forum route (which I think is maybe the way forward) then why not like you said put two buttons at the top along with the cabins (or as a replacement no one ever really uses those cabins)/ story telling etc for recs and amnesia where separate campfires can be posted for these topics. And a regular gentle reminder that it is user generated and we do help each other out, so why not do your bit check in see who wants what and if you can help them.
            If that’s not possible just let people post them on the main page I’d prefer to scroll through a 2 or 3 line story summary or a fic request than 10 pictures of bobby long.

            It’s also the double standards that annoy me. I understand that it is a a site primarily for twilight/fanfiction and if you let people post whatever they want you’d get a whole load of random campfires and the site would move away from its original purpose. I think rangers being able to post what they want is in theory a good idea. If traffic is slow the rangers can post a campfire about something everyone can participate in (movies, books etc). But it seems to me the rangers post aren’t aimed at the users. They seem to post off topic campfires to amuse themselves if they’re bored or if they’ve had a crappy day and want some re-assurance. So we have to suffer through a picture heavy campfire that takes up half the front page about whichever topic a ranger finds entertaining (bobby long/Bones/whatever). Or some love campfire because someone was mean to a ranger at work. Don’t even get me started on the love campfires that appear if someone disagrees with a ranger.

            I think you need to just take the site for what it is and not take it seriously. It’s just a shame to me that a site which use to be good has slipped into the craziness so often seen on other twilight sites, with moderators who’ve started to believe their own hype and the users treated as unwelcome guests who have to walk a very thin line in order to feel welcome.

            • Anonymous March 10, 2011 at 6:13 pm

              The problem with having a separate cabin for fic requests/amnesia posts/etc. is that most people never go off the main page. At Twilighted, for example, by far the most active forum is the AH forum – most people barely leave that front page. I always see people posting ‘find a fic’ threads in the AH forum because they don’t know there is a whole forum dedicated to that if you go to the main board index page. I have no problem with those threads being at the AH forum – I just wanted to point out that most people have a main page on any given community that they hardly ever stray from. A cabin specifically for finding fics would probably have very little traffic.

              My big complaint about ADF’s format is having to scroll through a CF repeatedly to see where the replies have shown up. This is such a pain when there are hundreds of replies. I have the reply posts emailed to me, but it’s confusing to read them in email because it doesn’t say what the post is replying to and, like many people mention on ADF, I usually attach people to their avatars, not to their names, especially if I don’t know them that well.

              Twific is the first online community experience I’ve ever had – I was never involved in any forums or other fandoms at all. My first forum site was Twilighted (for better or for worse) and so that’s the setup I’m used to and comfortable with. I personally think it’s easier to follow a thread there than a campfire at ADF. You see what people are replying to in their post and new stuff moves to the top. Even if it is a “wanky” topic, it’s easy to see where the most interest is at any given time.

              As for Twilighted’s color scheme – I find it tacky, but have no problem reading on it. If it did bother me, there’s always an app like Nocturne to invert the colors and I believe there is the option to reverse the colors in both the forums and the story archives if you dig a little. No matter, though – I almost never read any fics at Twilighted.

  6. boobylong February 14, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    This is up in the “Ranger Station” on ADF (the FAQ/Rules section):

    4. Keep it topical. You’ll see Rangers posting about shoes and food and hair products, but hey, we’re the Rangers.

    … Yeah. Apparently someone took this bit a little too seriously. I still remember a Ranger (GAW?) saying that if Michael Welch (aka Mike) changed his twitter icon to a picture of himself with a “I love ADF” sign, they would go an donate $100 to the charity he was promoting on twitter.

    … Nice. Wolvesnvamps quickly corrected in a campfire that they would donate anyway. And that’s great. But it might have been nice to say it upfront, and not make Michael Welch promoting the website a condition for a $100 donation (am I the only one who thinks that $100 is cheap for this kind of demand? Js. I know every penny helps and all that, but $100 is not going to prompt a celebrity to do anything)

    I should add that I have no proof that GAW said it because it was tweeted from the ADF account, but she’s the only ranger who very enthusiastically RTed something about it at that moment. But that’s neither here nor there.

  7. onoyguyg February 15, 2011 at 4:11 am

    Isn’t this the same site where the owner used a sock to mistakenly discredit and flame an author by accusing her of being nothing more than (ironically) a sock for two BNFs? That was never deleted, even when it was proven false. Not even an apology to the author, who left fandom not too much later, and I can’t say I blame her seeing as how the admin of a seemingly important site in the community attacks you from out of nowhere.

    • Anonymous February 15, 2011 at 1:15 pm

      Was that ‘How to save a life.’? I maybe remembering wrong but I remember a whole load of craziness appearing on ADF about that story. There was no evidence to back up the claim but I remember people taking it as gospel anyway which was pretty shocking. Like I say I maybe wrong so correct me if I am.

      • twankharder February 15, 2011 at 5:08 pm

        Was that it? We were trying to remember. Only one of us even vaguely remembered the campfire, but it was all done as a “what if” and even at the time she didn’t know which fic they were accusing.

        • Is that cheese? February 15, 2011 at 5:22 pm

          http://www.adifferentforest.com/Campfire_Comment.aspx?ID=4058

          The campfire was started by “Jessica Stanley” — and we can assume that’s a ranger sock.

          • Ellie February 15, 2011 at 6:10 pm

            That is shocking!
            Not once does a ranger step in and in fact they just fan the flames by getting the users more riled up. If you scroll down about 3/4s a user named kristh points out how unfair the post is to unholy obsession (the actual author of to save a life). She’s obviously pretty upset and clearly states how ridiculous the campfire is and she’s ignored. In fact Jennyfly acknowledges her and then totally dismisses her comments. EZrockangel then leaves a long polite explanation of how ridiculous the accusation is that she/ag wrote the story and is again completely ignored by the rangers.
            Lastly the only thing I have to say to the rangers is grow a pair. It’s your website. If you are going to make a statement like that which will seriously harm the credibility of a writer in the fandom at least put your name behind it so people know where its come from.

            • twankharder February 15, 2011 at 7:29 pm

              You know, that’s really what prompted the creation of this blog. It’s not that you necessarily get attacked for voicing dissent on ADF; sure, there are passive-aggressive “love posts” and so on, but so many times when someone posts a very calm, well-thought-out rebuttal, it just sits there. You feel like Rose in Titanic “standing in the middle of a crowded room, screaming at the top of my lungs, and no one even looks up!”

  8. notthere February 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    the problem with adf *isn’t* gaw. the problem with adf are the handful of nasty, mean-spirited rangers who use the site to stir shit for their own amusement. Unfortunately, this ‘stand back and watch the lulz’ attitude comes from the top down.

    I don’t blame people for wanting to talk about the Krismom thing for a few days. When something like that happens, people need time to process, and if ADF was the “community” site it claims to be, they would have allowed that. That doesn’t mean that people needed to get brutal, but they should have been allowed to talk about the situation more, if they needed to.

    Still, fandom overall is in decline, so I doubt ADF is going to wield much power or lulz for too much longer.

  9. Almost Done February 16, 2011 at 12:43 am

    The double standards are getting pretty ridiculous at ADF. In all of my years in various fandoms, I’ve never seen forum mods act so childishily and diva-like –except on The Gaz, of course (but they’re just all misunderstood there, of course.) I think if you’re going to throw your Ranger-weight around, you need to be able to take feedback as a person who at least resembles a rational adult.

    I think what’s getting to me more than anything is the disrespect for their campers. Questions asked politely are met with wounded, angsty replies. Issues with the site that are pointed out with equal politeness are blatantly ignored. (I’ve yet to read a single Ranger response to the perfectly reasonable question: “What’s your criteria/process for selecting VIP authors?”)

    One particular campfire that really IRKED me 😉 was a Ranger-generated one essentially sweeping aside campers’ concerns about cliquishness and feeling too intimidated to post and respond to campfires. Not one Ranger acknowledged anyone’s feelings, none of them expressed any regret that campers felt that way. Instead it was a chorus of “But we’re ALL just regular folks. There are NO cliques here, there is NO hierarchy or status.” Read: “Your concerns are ridiculous and unfounded.”

    • Ellie February 16, 2011 at 1:24 am

      You expect it from the gazebo don’t you. For some weird reason they pride themselves on it, lol.
      The double standards in ADF irritate me. Anyone who questions the rangers in respectful and intelligent manner are made to feel like trouble makers purposely rocking the boat. Then the ranger involved will post some love (wank) campfire and the user who raised their concerns in a legitimate and considerate way are made to feel like they’ve done something wrong and are no longer welcome.
      A camper who recently questioned the new rules about what you can post and when was made to feel so guilty after questioning one of the rangers that she actually posted an apology campfire. The ranger though couldn’t let it rest and then posted a love campfire highlighting the RULES of the campfire (just so we all knew who had upset her) to make sure the camper had been put in her place and would never again question the one true voice of the rangers, lol.

    • Hey Nonny Nonny February 17, 2011 at 4:14 am

      This:
      “I think if you’re going to throw your Ranger-weight around, you need to be able to take feedback as a person who at least resembles a rational adult.”
      and this:
      “I think what’s getting to me more than anything is the disrespect for their campers.”

      To me, these are the two biggest downfalls at ADF right now. I was absolutely baffled at the way that Emibella and GAW reacted in the campfire Jennyfly started about things that bug her. I’m not saying that GAW needed to immediately stop posting the Bobby Long campfires (I mean, I wish she would , but she didn’t have to), but it was like her reaction was “How DARE they be annoyed by this”, rather than taking a step back and realizing that not everyone is going to like everything she does 100% of the time. (Don’t even get me started on her twitter behavior. She’s purposely annoying and over the top, and then she baws every time she loses a follower. You know, after she basically forces people to unfollow her. Cry for attention, much?) At the end of the day, it’s their playground, and they get to run it how they want. At the same time, though, it would do the people in charge well to realize that alienating and bullying the other kids on the playground means that eventually, only the bullies and jerks will remain. And hey, if what they really want is a playground where Tor shows her ass all day long, well, have fun with that.

      I just find it disingenuous to say that it’s a “user-driven” site when they’re trying to justify some of the racist, bullying, or offensive campfires that have been posted and allowed to blow up, but to fall back on the “our playground, our rules” mantra whenever anyone wants to talk about something that doesn’t interest or annoys one or more rangers. Meanwhile, they’re all (well, mostly. I will admit that I don’t think I’ve ever seen Jandco or Wtvoc engage in behavior like this) on twitter bashing campers. But yes, let’s have another campfire where we talk about how we’re not cliquey, we’re all just normaly people, we’re all totally nice, why are you scared of us?

      I’m sure it’s frustrating to put time and effort into something and then see people basically ignore it. I’ll be among the first to admit that it makes me want to kick a puppy when I see the Amnesia post, and two posts above it is a “help! i can’t remember the name of this fic!” post. Maybe, if setting it up as a bulletin-board style site isn’t an option, they should give rangers the ability to merge campfires. I think a huge part of the problem is that the people who are doing annoying things are already kind of clueless–hence their annoying behavior. Having a passive-aggressive campfire two days later is probably not going to reach them. They’ll continue to float around, blissfully unaware of how annoying they’re being. Meanwhile, other people get offended and upset, because they feel like they’re getting yelled at, when they haven’t done anything wrong. Perhaps they should try addressing the specific source of the problem, instead of using the general, one size fits all approach.

      Then again, I’m trying to apply reason to a group of people who think that sharing the intimate details of their vaginal health with the world is appropriate.

      • Is that cheese? February 17, 2011 at 1:36 pm

        I’d prefer a short, image-free amnesia post 5 times a day over one huge, image-stuffed Bobby Long or “let’s spam GIFs” post. But I think you’re right — the clueless people will remain so indefinitely.

        Those TMI posts are really unsavory. I guess some people thrive on ANY kind of attention.

      • Almost Done February 17, 2011 at 2:17 pm

        “Then again, I’m trying to apply reason to a group of people who think that sharing the intimate details of their vaginal health with the world is appropriate.”

        I just snorted so hard, I inhaled my morning coffee. Coffee in your sinuses? Yeah, not good.

        See, the thing about the “Help, I can’t remember the name of this fic” campfires, is that the users most likely need the information right then. Maybe they want to rec it to someone in their twitfeed, maybe they’ve got some time on their hands and want to read fic for a while.

        But they want their users to wait to post their request until the designated day — i.e. when it’s convenient FOR ADF. But if you point this out to them, I guarantee you’ll get a “We need to keep the site organized…we’re doing it for the campers… etc.” Given the poor design of the rest of the site, and their seeming inability to take constructive criticism, those answers don’t’ seem sincere.

        To design good user interfaces, you have to understand the way your users are interacting with your product. And you only get that by asking them and then listening to their responses.

        • Anonymous February 17, 2011 at 8:48 pm

          I agree. I really don’t think about fic that deeply and if I want to read a fic and have forgotten the name it seems a bit crazy to have to wait 5 days then hang around in front of a computer and wait for the relevant campfire to be posted. Why not have a separate place to post these questions of the main board. Or just have the author delete the campfire once the question has been answered therefore your not clogging up the board.

          The TMI campfires remind me of teenagers who’ve just watched sex and the city for the first time and think it’s terribly shocking and cool to discuss vaginas, blow jobs and whatever else. GAW in particular seems to be craving some sort of attention by sharing some of the stuff she does. She just comes of as cheap and nasty. There is nothing mature or dignified about admitting you allowed a male stripper to tit fuck you in a public bar. Have a little self respect.

    • Anonymous February 18, 2011 at 8:07 am

      I remember that post. I was so irritated by how they always dismissed those concerns. It’s funny that anyone is surprised by any of this considering how many times a counter-campfire went up where a ranger baww’d about anyone saying ADF is elitist and cliquey (‘it really hurts me’) when, at its core, ADF is fundamentally elitist by having “VIP” authors. I’ll never understand how they can’t see that.

      I love all the truth in this post.

  10. Is that cheese? February 16, 2011 at 1:02 am

    Thank you for spelling “irked” correctly. I wonder if that “erk” thread is still popular over at Twilighted. 😐

    The VIP author selection process remains a secret but I suspect it’s often utilized as a snub to various BNAs, and less of an indication of quality story-telling.

    • Ellie February 16, 2011 at 1:12 am

      “The VIP author selection process remains a secret but I suspect it’s often utilized as a snub to various BNAs, and less of an indication of quality story-telling.”

      I’ve often thought the same thing plus if you’re good buddies with the rangers it seems to help your cause.

    • Anonymouse February 16, 2011 at 1:20 am

      I know someone who asked and was told that you needed a completed multi-chapter story to be eligible. Then in the most recent batch of names announced, at least two of them only had WIPs. nothing completed.

      Ultimately, the decision making process is all of the rangers throwing in names of stories they’ve read and liked, and picking from that list. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that, but it would inevitably lead to names being picked from a certain group of people. If you look at the VIP names, most of them are connected in some way, as betas or friends, though not necessarily to the rangers.

  11. Ellie Mae February 16, 2011 at 2:50 am

    Good to have a place where people can speak their minds.

    I want to know who – if anyone – has turned them down for a VIP slot. Anyone have the gossip on that?

    • infinitely curious February 23, 2011 at 4:46 am

      Not sure if you’ll ever come back to see this, but I’m almost positive ezrocksangel turned down a spot. And that was before the whole being accused of co-writing ‘How to Save a Life’ incident.

    • infinitely curious February 23, 2011 at 4:47 am

      Aaaand I see she just replied below.

  12. Holly February 17, 2011 at 2:27 am

    Jessica Stanley is brattyvamp aka Kat.

  13. Holly February 17, 2011 at 3:14 am

    Jessica Stanley is brattyvamp

    • Is that cheese? February 17, 2011 at 1:30 pm

      Well, that certainly is interesting. The Jessica character posts are very off-putting.

      • Anonymous February 17, 2011 at 8:49 pm

        I agree very off putting.

        • ezrocksangel February 18, 2011 at 2:26 am

          hmmmm…couple things. I’m not scared to put my name out there.

          1. I was asked if I would be interested in being put up for VIP status. I declined. Would i have been voted on? eh. who knows.
          2. No apology was ever offered to any of us, me, AG or Unholy_obsession for the sock acct thing. Lame. I know why but im not going into it.
          3. Bratty Vamp was NOT the Jessica Stanly that stirred the pot with the sock acct incident. It was a different “jessica”
          4. Bratty vamp is my friend and stood up for me during that whole situation.
          5. ADF is what it is. Some of the rangers are my friends (which is why the whole sock thing annoyed me so much. they could have asked me at any point. half of them have my email address) others I dont know. I don’t really go there because all of that is not my thing. You get 50-15000 women in one place and there will be drama.
          6. I dont know GAW but i love bobby long. Ive seen him twice (okay once cause the other time i drank too much and blacked out, sigh) and plan to see him in a couple weeks. Like what you want–ignore the rest.
          7. back to the batcave

          • twankharder February 18, 2011 at 4:03 am

            3. Bratty Vamp was NOT the Jessica Stanly that stirred the pot with the sock acct incident. It was a different “jessica”

            Everyone please keep in mind that anyone can comment here. Other than spam, we probably wouldn’t refuse to approve any comment unless it was…IDK, someone’s address or something. We don’t know one way or the other about this, but everything you see here should be taken as gossip and not gospel.

            • ezrocksangel February 18, 2011 at 4:07 am

              ummm, yeah i do know this to be truth. it is not gossip and is fact. look—> over there, thats my pic. it matches with my twitter pic. but if you would rather deal in gossip and speculation go ahead.

              • twankharder February 18, 2011 at 4:21 am

                Apologies; it wasn’t meant to indicate that your comment was suspect. If anything, we meant to address your concern that false information could be being posted and inform the room in general that comments can come from anywhere.

                But yes, your comment is gossip as far as everyone else is concerned. It’s nice that you have all the facts at your disposal, but generally when false information goes up, the assurances that it’s the total truth are just as emphatic. Readers need to investigate for themselves. Like we encouraged them to do with the text of TVM.

                • ezrocksangel February 18, 2011 at 4:27 am

                  hmmmm, okay.

                  well do with it what you will. Since I was one of the ones accused by “jessica” of being a sock, and I’m saying Jessica was not Bratty Vamp to me that doesnt really count as gossip. The reason im not saying who Jessica IS, is because THAT is gossip. I think i know, but i dont know 100%. I do know, for a fact, it was not Bratty Vamp.

                  but think what you want.

                  • anonymous February 18, 2011 at 4:37 am

                    I always suspected it to be wolvesandvamps. All rangers use a certain color to type with and “jessica” and wolvesandvamps both used pink. Plus wasn’t she one of the first rangers on the scene? Blech. All the AG hate on that site from the very beginning has turned me off. Jealous much?!

                    • Is that cheese? February 18, 2011 at 4:53 am

                      So I guess AG wasn’t asked to be a VIP author? 🙂 The only author that I heard turned them down was “The Office” writer.

            • Holly February 20, 2011 at 3:31 pm

              Yes, BrattyVamp at one point was the Jessica Stanley “reporter” on ADF and yes, I have an email proving it.

              JessNOTie may have taken it over and been the one pushing wank but Kat was JS at one point.

              If for whatever reason, the email is wanted to prove said facts, let me know via e and I’ll forward it.

              • ezrocksangel February 20, 2011 at 6:22 pm

                i said Bratty vamp was not THE jessica stanley who pulled the wank. there was another Jessica that posted that night when the drama went down.

          • The Gazebo SMH February 18, 2011 at 10:06 am

            “I dont know GAW but i love bobby long. Ive seen him twice (okay once cause the other time i drank too much and blacked out, sigh) and plan to see him in a couple weeks. Like what you want–ignore the rest.”
            Easier said than done with that one. Every time you log on it it’s like someone has hit you on the head with a Bobby Long bat. The issues weren’t with the post necessarily (although I wish she’d stop) it was her really bad attitude when some people commented that they didn’t like them.
            I think your find that most people haven’t put their name out there because of the reaction they’ll get from ADF rangers and the BNAs who follow them. I’ve witnessed many a time someone trying to give their honest opinion about the site and it’s pretty much thrown back in their face with an understanding that they aren’t so welcome around the ADF forest anymore.
            What you need to understand is that as BNA you can say stuff that the rest of us would be kicked out of the club for.

            • Is that cheese? February 18, 2011 at 1:10 pm

              I don’t use my name because my name means nothing to this community. “Is that cheese?” is as good a user name as any other I might create. I’m not an author, I lurk and don’t post, and no one knows or cares who I am.

              If I go on a rampage at ADF, I’ll be sure to use “Is that cheese?” so you can all find me. Get out your pitchforks. 🙂

              I sympathize with people who need to remain anonymous here for fear of reprisals.

            • ezrocksangel February 18, 2011 at 2:14 pm

              i dont blame anyone for posting anon. i don’t. i chose not to because i was making comments that otherwise would be considered gossip except they happened to me personally (too bad that didnt work). I agree that in this fandom the only way to “Speak your mind” is to be part of the bully brigade. Lame.

              BNA or not (dont really buy into this) I’m expecting some fallout. It’s also why I feel like my tongue is tied on twitter and other forums. I worry about reviews and who i rec. Wah wah wah. Please, we all know what being besties with AG gets you—a target on your back.

              I joined this fandom for the fun not the drama and a I made a decision a loooooong time ago (geez oldtimer i swear) not to get in the mix. Too bad I cant follow my own rules.

              • The Gazebo SMH February 18, 2011 at 11:31 pm

                To be honest I’ve never really thought of it from the BNAs perspective and I can see where your coming from. I guess it’s a small minority with a big following who ruin it for everybody.
                I’ve never understood the issue with AG. She always seems polite and helpful (hell she made all her fics into pdfs for us when other bnas were pulling to publish). Her fanfiction home page is refreshingly down to earth and polit. Plus she’s a good writer. Unless I’ve missed some huge scandal (it’s possible i’m not that active in the fandom any more) there seems to be much drama over nothing.

                • Is that cheese? February 19, 2011 at 12:15 am

                  This is all my opinion, and I’ve never had any contact with AG at all… but from what I recall, AG started getting hate when she posted an author note asking readers to stop bugging her. I think it snowballed from there and for a long, long time it’s been hip to hate her. More herd mentality. I think the author of Emancipation Proclamation got the same treatment.

                  • Anonymous February 19, 2011 at 7:42 am

                    The hate for the EP author was worse, I think.

                    • The Gazebo SMH February 19, 2011 at 12:02 pm

                      I see. I knew there was animosity towards her I just didn’t know why. It sounds kind of ridiculous to me.
                      What was the problem with the EP author? I read the story but wasn’t aware people were giving her a hard time.

                    • Is that cheese? February 19, 2011 at 2:57 pm

                      I’m not sure why people hate the EP author. I’m not sure if started out as hate toward her story, but it turned into personal hate for the author. I remember someone found out her name and where she lived, said that she had faked a pregnancy and miscarriage, and there was some other skeevy stuff about her fiance. I think someone also accused her of copying Wide Awake too closely, too. Maybe that’s what started it all?

                    • Anonymous February 19, 2011 at 7:32 pm

                      After being accused of copying aspects of AG’s ‘Wide Awake,’ it was pretty much downhill from there. Even though the similarities she was called out for were kind of stupid (that both Edward’s like Alfredo, that WA Edward wore a Claddaugh ring and EP Edward had one as a tattoo, that they both said ‘fuck’ a lot), the damage was done.

                      And after that, it kind of became hip to flame the hell out of EP. Plus, Kharizzmatik made the mistake of being very open on twitter (she let a lot of people follow her and she followed them back) when a lot had the agenda to be mean.

                      This fandom is just made up of a lot of mean people that have very little to do.

                    • Is that cheese? February 19, 2011 at 8:01 pm

                      I’m not saying things *should* be this way, but I think things *are* this way: authors who are accessible, give out personal details, reveal a lot of things on Twitter, and talk more about their lives than their stories are eventually going to receive a lot of nasty backlash. It’s difficult for authors who want to connect with their readers, because in order to do so they leave themselves open to all sorts of personal attacks. Or maybe it’s not difficult, if they only want to communicate via PMs. Regardless, it seems like the authors who keep a low profile aren’t easy targets.

                    • Anonymous February 19, 2011 at 9:16 pm

                      I had no idea she was accused of copying AG. It’s kind of ridiculous to me I’ve read both and I gotta say apart from saying ‘fuck’ a lot (lets be honest doesn’t every angsty Edward) I don’t really see that many similarities.

  14. ShellBelle February 17, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    The same people who ‘run’ ADF were once prominent members, and for the most part still are, of the gazebo. It’s why you see the same kind of snark. Tor is still a mod at TG. littlesecrett, Emb are active posters on TG, along with many others of the top dogs at ADF, and believe me, they aren’t talking about fics there. They are cutting down people, authors, stories and that is exactly why greengoldfish called their shit out. They are cutting down the same people they talk about on ADF. Why else do you think it’s all kept private on TG? So, ADF is the place for them to pretend. TG got a bad wrap and they are trying to undo.
    Honestly, if TG opened up public just one day and everyone could see the ugly, ugly things that are being said, a lot of people would lost respect for some of their ‘favorite’ (or even the ever popular VIP) authors.

    • Is that cheese? February 17, 2011 at 11:18 pm

      I used to belong to the Gazebo and while there were some decent people there, the nasty ones like Tor, littlesecret, and in the distant past, Jennday, seemed to set the dominant theme. Plus there is that group of people who are friends with the mods but only post when they want to gang up on someone. They never contribute anything positive.

      There are some days when ADF smells like the Gazebo’s dumpster. The people aren’t witty, just trashy.

      • The Gazebo SMH February 18, 2011 at 1:42 am

        I joined the gazebo and decided it wasn’t the place for me. Too bitchy so I left them to it. They reminded me of the the kids in school who thought acting like a bitch somehow made you an individual. They seem to feel themselves superior in someway but I’m not sure how they came to that conclusion lol.

  15. Anonymous February 17, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Does anyone remember a big drama about a campfire posted by a character (Jacob? Jessica? I can’t remember). Anyways the rangers actually deleted the entire campfire. I don’t know what it was about as it had been deleted by the time I logged on.
    However the rangers posted a follow up campfire chastising the users for not contacting one of them sooner to deal with whatever drama had gone on. The users replied that the character users have always operated with free reign and with the support of the rangers so it was assumed they were one of the rangers. Apparently we’re suppose to be psychics as well as rule followers. ; )

    • missbluejuju February 17, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      If I’m remembering correctly, it was an Edward Cullen character. He/she/it said something–I can’t remember what, only that I remember thinking ‘Er, is this person serious? This is kinda derogatory.’

      I actually commented on the fire; I wasn’t sure if it was a joke/troll or not. The campfire that preceded it had comments by an Edward Cullen, and I remember that the comments there were typical/normal and ‘in character’. All of the characters were, actually, that’s why it was such a surprise to see the new not-nice campfire by Edward. The Rangers deleted the Edward-made campfire, and they said that this particular Edward was not theirs (or something to that effect). They did ask why we hadn’t paged a Ranger about it, but yeah, we thought that all the characters were Ranger-made; it was all kind of confusing. I think they said it was a programming glitch that allowed duplicate usernames or something, IDK, and they were looking into it. This duplicate problem is apparently why there weren’t characters posting things for a while. ‘Jessica Stanley’ is the only one who has come back, really, for the author/character interviews.

      This is what I remember being told anyway.

    • Hey Nonny Nonny February 18, 2011 at 2:17 am

      If I recall correctly, that was the campfire where EZRocksAngel and AG were accused of being the actual writers behind unholy.obsession’s How To Save A Life. It was a blatant attack. And yes, it got deleted as soon as the rangers “became aware” of it. Funny thing, though. At least three Rangers were actively posting on twitter at the time, which made the follow up campfire even more insulting. From what I can remember of the original campfire, most of the people posting to it were pretty upset about the accusation.

      But yes, apparently there was some sort of hack that allowed someone to spoof a user name. Totally reasonable explanation, that.

      • Ralph S. Mouse February 18, 2011 at 3:50 am

        It got taken down? Were there two? Because I found this one and thought that was it:

        http://www.adifferentforest.com/Campfire_Comment.aspx?ID=4058

        • Hey Nonny Nonny February 18, 2011 at 4:22 am

          That’s it. Obviously, you’re a better detective than I am.

          Notice that that post was made at 12:49 am, and not one, but four Rangers were posting in it within the first 30 minutes? Yet it was the campers’ fault for not letting a ranger know about the thread.

        • Hey Nonny Nonny February 18, 2011 at 4:29 am

          Actually, I take it back. The Jessica Stanley post stayed fairly civil, considering. Sometime between that post at almost 1 am and this post http://www.adifferentforest.com/Campfire_Comment.aspx?ID=4062 at almost 4 am, someone posted as “dedward”. That post has been deleted, and that post was where the really ugly stuff went down.

          By the next morning, of course, we had several love type posts, one dedicated to the awesome Rangers who were on hand to keep the forest clean. Uh huh.

          • anonymous_chopsticks February 20, 2011 at 4:04 am

            I liked the comment one person left: There’s a reason Disneyland doesn’t let random park attendees dress up like Mickey Mouse.

            The confusion has to be entirely intentional. They want you to be intimidated by these and by the concept that campfires like this are already Ranger approved.

            and this comment: Hiding behind a character while you accuse someone else (*Allegedly*) of hiding behind a different name?

            Perfect. And yet…these just got glossed over with “user generated” meme.

            And in the second post — the one the Rangers started to cover the missing material in the deleted campfire, jandco says: “the stanley post didn’t contain any personal attacks nor did it specifically name any one person” But the implications are there like crazy. wolvesnvamps, jennday played right into them. So it’s clearly a Ranger generated accusation thread. jandco really plays the innocent well, but I strongly suspect it’s entirely BS. It’s good cop, bad cop, but she’s totally involved and in control.

            • Hey Nonny Nonny February 20, 2011 at 8:13 am

              I don’t even know that it’s a decision to try to be confusing and intimdating. For the most part, I think the people in charge take for granted that they are intimidating. I think what they really want is the cloak of plausible deniability. As long as they can hide behind the fact that they never said those things, then they’re good to go.

              I’ve always viewed Jandco more as the one who winds up towing the party line, even if she doesn’t agree with it. It could be that I’m incredibly naive, but she seems like a genuinely nice person. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that since that incident, wolvesnvamps has been less visible, and jennday is pretty much gone. The impression I got from some PMs that I was privy to was that some of the rangers were definitely not happy with the behavior of others, but there was only so much they could do.

              • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 2:34 pm

                I don’t think Jandco is as aggressive or as mean spirited as the other rangers who have been mentioned. However her inability to show other users and members of the fandom basic respect by sticking up for them and saying ‘This is a valid point’ or ‘Stop attacking people with no proof’ tells me that she’s no better than some of the rangers. She’s responsible for the site as much as the other rangers are and therefore needs to stand up to them occasionally. Like you say she seems like a nice girl so in a way to not jump in and say something when members of the community are being attacked makes her behaviour worse than others. She seems to know right from wrong unlike some of the other mods so to just turn a blind eye and not step up to the plate shows a real weakness of character.

      • Ralph S. Mouse February 18, 2011 at 3:57 am

        Funny thing, though. At least three Rangers were actively posting on twitter at the time, which made the follow up campfire even more insulting.

        That was why I was sure it was a ranger behind it. And I HATE that excuse of “You didn’t tell us!!” Bullshit. There are ten of them, right? If some week-old campfire suddenly gets a troll, I know it’s unlikely they’ll see it, but don’t tell me they didn’t see that fire as soon as it went up and know just where that would go. My guess would be that they thought it was hilarious until a bunch of people complained, and then suddenly they’re playing like they couldn’t possibly have known, u gaiz! It’s YOUR fault for not telling them!

        The mods at the gazebo pull the same cowardly bullshit. They say no personal attacks, completely ignore blatant ones UNLESS it’s them or one of their friends being attacked, BUT if one comes along that’s disgusting enough to spark a mini-revolt, suddenly they backpedal and say “But how do we KNOW if you don’t TELL us?”/whine

    • onoyguyg February 18, 2011 at 6:51 am

      A rough translation of that whole event:

      Wolvesnvamps and Jennday (+inner circle): *lots of private speculation* WE’RE GENIUS FOR FIGURING THIS OUT AND IT’S IN NO WAY GRUDGE WANK!

      Wolvesnvamps and Jennday @TheGazebo: Hey, there’s a thread here in the HTSAL update about it. Anyone? Bueller?

      TheWorld @Gazebo: *ignores*

      Wolvesnvamps @Jennday: Clearly The Gazebo doesn’t get enough traffic. Hey, don’t we own/mod another site? *thinly-veiled abuse of power*

      InnerCircle @wolvesnvamps and Jennday: *baseless encouragement*

      ADF Campers @Rangers: “huh?”

      Other Rangers @Campers: “huh?”

      Wolvesnvamps and Jennday: “Derp, we have no idea what you’re talking about! That’s so two hours ago.” *passive-aggressive lulz tweets*

      The Gazebo: “Hell yes, now we have a whole post on it!”

      Jennday @TheGazebo: “This is completely true and in no way grudge wank!”

      Wolvesnvamps @Everywhere: “I’m only going to post under sock accounts so I never have to take accountability!” *ceaseless irony*

      Dedward @ADF: I’m going to post a blatantly inflammatory post attacking all innocent authors involved and no one will know who I am. I’M JUST LIKE THE RANGERS!

      Other Rangers @Campers: “HDU! BAD CAMPERS FOR NOT ALERTING US EVEN THOUGH IT WAS PROBABLY MADE BY ONE OF US ANYWAY!”

      Wolvesnvamps and Jennday: “Derp, we have no idea what you’re talking about! That’s so three hours ago.” *finds new shiny object*

      The Gazebo: *almost-attempt at holding someone accountable until other shiny objects distract*

      UnholyObsession @UnnecessryDrama: *somehow classy response*

      Apology: OMG WHERE AM I?

      ADF Rangers @Campers: Here, we’ve made a love post so you can thank us for our quick and appropriate response to the very wank we’re responsible for!

      Campers @Rangers: WE LOVE YOU.

      the end.

      • The Gazebo SMH February 18, 2011 at 3:53 pm

        Bravo!!!!!!!!!
        You pretty much summed it all up perfectly and you just made me laugh out loud, not an easy thing to do ; )

  16. anyone? February 19, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    I’m going to hell for this, but I couldn’t help but think karma was having its way with Emibella this week. I don’t like seeing people hurt themselves, but an injury that prevents one from typing….um, how appropriate. I’ve always been a little squicked by how “nice” everyone thinks that lady is. From the get go she set my alarm bells ringing. Classic narcissist, if you ask me. She was ridiculously hostile and rude to a camper over NOTHING, and then proceeded to not only privately tell the camper that she was a bad seed, but then publicly humiliated her in two subsequent posts. A ridiculous LOVE post and the Passive Aggressive campfire….oh man, I almost had to tape my fingers together so I wouldn’t head in there and get all PA on her ass. As far as I’m concerned, Emibella and GAW are the reason I don’t hang over there any more. They are pampered, hypocrtical, self-righteous assholes.

    • Is that cheese? February 19, 2011 at 8:06 pm

      You aren’t the only one. I could smell the Schadenfreude. 🙂 Emibella didn’t make much of an impression on me until the latest events. Until then, I’d taken her at her word — that she’s a peaceful hippie — and she had the reputation of being well-loved by most people. I thought she was probably very nice. Now I know better.

    • Anonymous February 19, 2011 at 9:12 pm

      Yes Yes Yes to everything you said about Emibella. So glad I’m not the only one who sees it.

    • anonymous February 19, 2011 at 9:41 pm

      I’m so glad that I’m not alone in feeling that way. She was never really on my radar until she came in to that pay it forward post asking for money to give her kids a nice Christmas. Then just a few days later she was talking about how she just bought concert tickets or something, and it completely turned me off. Then I noticed how far her head must really be up her ass. The whole thing with Nayarit(?). Give me a break, Naya was/is the nicest person on ADF. I think Emibella was just put off that someone is more genuine and nice than she thinks she is. And enough with the Avett Brothers! You didn’t discover them. Other people like them too. Oh, and another thing that used to bug me about her is how all rangers are automatically VIP authors. Well, she is the only one that certainly doesn’t deserve that title. I love how every time there is a give me your favorite authors or stories post and awww poor Emibella is never mentioned along with all her peers, she will come in and say how untasteful she thinks posts like this are.

      • Things that make you go hmmmmm? February 20, 2011 at 3:19 am

        No you’re not alone, lol. She’s one of those very scary two faced women who like to portray an image of sweetness and light but occasionally they let their true colors shine through. The incident with the camper you mentioned is a perfect example. Now I don’t know this girl but I’ve read her posts and she says what she thinks. As far as I’m aware she never says anything to insult or offend and if she does she apologises. She’s simply blunt and to the point but isn’t that what ADF is suppose to be about? Honest people who aren’t looking for drama just a place to share opinions honestly and respectfully. Well apparently it is unless you criticise the forest or in this case dare to question emibella. Her behaviour was so appalling I couldn’t believe she posted those TWO campfires AFTER the camper in question had actually posted a campfire to apologise if her manner had offended anyone (The only people who seemed to be offended were the rangers the rest of us were cheering for her).
        It’s nice to know that others see through the sweetness and light image she works so hard to project. I personally just find her very manipulative and underhand.

    • onoyguyg February 20, 2011 at 3:25 am

      I’m so glad you brought this up. I used to be quite friendly with Emibella, and truthfully, she always seemed like a genuinely kind person. But since she went to ADF, I’ve noticed her steady decline in the very morals and “hippie attitude” she used to tout. It’s actually been a little shocking to find that, all along, she really just wanted to sit at a cool table, and has found that place among the very people whose actions she once repeatedly abhorred.

      I don’t think it’s karma that she’s been hurt, and I wish her well and hope she’s happy, but I am definitely disappointed that she seems to have sacrificed her integrity in favor of acceptance into a group that could probably care less about her when it’s all said and done.

    • anonymous_chopsticks February 20, 2011 at 4:07 am

      She’s nice because she says so. She’s nice because Esme is nice and she has an Esme avi. Esme is a sweet and kind nurturing figure, so since Emibella uses that avi, she is also nice.

      See? Logic.

  17. ShellBelle February 19, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    ADF just likes the drama. Like when they concluded that Ninapolitan was SR who write UoEM. It was just the funnnnnnniest thing and they were sooooooooo smart to figure it out. Oh right, because ‘someone’ got an email with his information from Nina’s email. BINGO. ::dingdingdingding::
    How about going to the author first and asking if it’s true (which obviously has been proven, it wasn’t. I don’t think anyone except for the people pushing drama thought so) besides posting a huge campfire in your big colorful letters that everyone had been had and that Nina was really SebastianRoughjfhgjgfd? How about some credibility or even a tad if integrity before blasting someone elses? Oh no. They are WAY to smart for that. It’s why they did the AG/EZ scandal too. It was always the same on The Gazebo. Shit would hit the fan and all of the Mod’s were ‘never around’ or ‘no one told us’ even though we know they are hitting refresh every moment looking at shit & laughing.
    The best part? People think they are sincere.

    • Is that cheese? February 19, 2011 at 8:10 pm

      If I want to send people into a frothing rage, I’d mention that I don’t care if SR is a female with a male pen-name; or a dog with a typewriter. But s/he is certainly not EVER Nina!

  18. Anonymouse February 19, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Does anyone else get the sense that as soon as Tor gets bored with the fandom she’ll burn her old haunts down (i.e. deleting the Gaz and getting John to delete ADF)?

    • Is that cheese? February 19, 2011 at 11:40 pm

      Absolutely. I’m counting on her new hipster Bieber infatuation to carry her and littlesecret far, far away.

      • Ralph S. Mouse February 19, 2011 at 11:43 pm

        I was just about to suggest we lay bets as to which fandom she’ll show her ass in next.

      • Anonymouse February 19, 2011 at 11:45 pm

        I can’t believe someone is admitting to liking the beaver in public.

        • Ralph S. Mouse February 19, 2011 at 11:59 pm

          I can see the progression now. First she’ll be an active poster on an LJ community called ontd_beaver. Then she’ll start her own comm called, IDK, The Gabeavo. Then John will start a site for her called Not That Beavo. In all of these, she will post about how stupid and ugly Bieber is, how stupid and ugly his fans are, screencap posts of Bieber love from random sites for everyone to lol at, and make fun of Bieber RPF if there even is any. She will spend more time on this per day than a normal person spends on something they actually love.

          Why? Because she totally doesn’t care about Bieber. At all.

          • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 12:07 am

            The Gabeavo?!? Genius! Basement living at its finest.

          • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 12:10 am

            “Absolutely. I’m counting on her new hipster Bieber infatuation to carry her and littlesecret far, far away.”
            Ohh if wishing made it so.
            I actually find littlesecrets kstew obsession a little disturbing It really creeps me out. That level of infatuation is a little unbalanced if you ask me.
            As for Tor and the Bieber thing I’m shaking my head and rolling my eyes.

      • onoyguyg February 20, 2011 at 3:48 am

        Oh God. Anyone else totally grossed out that they’re now perving on some 16 year old kid?

        If this were a male fandom and some group of older men started perving on Miley Cyrus, they’d call them sickos and be squicked off of the internets.

        • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 3:59 am

          Yes, it’s unnerving and creepy. But I think that’s part of what LS and Tor enjoy: the thought that somewhere someone is uncomfortable and disgusted. It wouldn’t be so much fun if they weren’t such hipsters.

          • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 4:20 am

            YES! I’m glad I’m not the only one. It’s just so…….wrong.
            Although I agree i think they’re looking more for attention than actually crushing on him. At least I hope so…..

    • Mousesing February 19, 2011 at 11:41 pm

      Tor would never leave the fandom. She has too much fun with the drama and being awful. The same can be said for littlesecret who I think is the worst out of all of them. Bashing people left and right, even people she claims to be her ‘friends’ but then when if she gets a shitty review or someone says shit about her, she boo-hoo’s so people will rub all over her over-inflated ego.

      Not to mention, of course Tor/ADF/Whoever knows about this site and still has not come forward to say anything.

      • Ralph S. Mouse February 19, 2011 at 11:49 pm

        But this is all in our heads. Everyone who has commented here with bad opinions of pretty much every ranger except Capricorn is utterly delusional. Every. Last. One.

        Or we’re jealous. I know I am.

      • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 12:00 am

        I think you’re right. As long as I’ve been in the fandom (2+ years) Tor has been shitting all over the place, mocking everyone and everything. She might have planted her substantial ass here for life.

        I expect littlescret to get trampled at one of KStew’s premieres. But until then, we can all enjoy both of her faces!

        • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 12:19 am

          I’m not entirely sure what the deal is with Tor and littlesecret. Why join a community to spread drama and be that unpleasant. What are they looking for? Validation? A punching bag? an easy target. Fingers crossed that she moves on to Gabeavo, lol. Think of all the fun she’ll have making those 13 year old girls cry. It’ll be like shooting fish in a barrel.
          As for littlesecret being trampled under foot I think probably a higher chance of her throwing herself under kstews car in a show of blind devotion.

          • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 12:29 am

            Boring lives lead to stirring up drama for excitement? They need to feel superior? Read their Twitters: they don’t have a kind word for anyone other than their “frands.”

            I was wrong about littlesecret. Given her personality, she’s voted most likely to trample, not BE trampled.

            • Anony February 20, 2011 at 1:09 am

              I’m willing to throw $5 in to start a collection for someone to buy Ser a clue. You can’t bitch about everyone, even in private, and not expect people to find out. Hell, just the shit I seen on The Gazebo is some of the most ugly shit I’ve seen someone say.
              What it comes down to is the chick is bored silly. No job, no boy ( or girl. I can’t tell because of her obsession for KStew), no life so she creates drama and throws bullshit around because she is BOREDDDDDDD.

              and boring. ***throws $5 in pot***

              • Anonymouse February 20, 2011 at 1:16 am

                I suspect if you met people like Tor and LS in real life you’d probably be shocked at the difference between their online and real life personas. They spend so much time online looking for and starting drama that there must be very little excitement in their real lives and I’m willing to bet they’re probably quite meek and quiet.

                • Ralph S. Mouse February 20, 2011 at 1:43 am

                  That could be. I never paid too much attention to littlesecret, but if Tor and some of her little frands on the gaz act the same way in real life that they do online, their lives must be like a Cops episode every day. Or a day in the life of Lindsay Lohan.

                  I’m a little more outgoing online than in my personal life because I don’t feel as intimidated when no one’s staring at me, but never had the urge to turn myself into a Lindsay just because I can hide after. How it can even be fun for them to be pitied for their antics is beyond me.

                • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 2:01 am

                  I remember a long time ago on the Gazebo, when Jenn and Tor were up to their usual antics, when Jenn claimed that “Tor is the nice one.” I thought, in what universe? I’m astounded when anyone says that Tor is nice, but come to think of it, the only people who seem to say it are her ranger/Gaz cronies.

                  I don’t think LS is even that crazy about Kstew. It’s just another affectation to her. She thinks she’s shocking people, while we’re all just backing away slowly.

                  • Things that make you go hmmmmm? February 20, 2011 at 3:02 am

                    I’m not sure about that. Check out the Kstew wrist in a cast campfire today. Someone asked if she was wearing the wedding ring from eclipse. LS answered (this is a rough summary) no she’s had the ring for about a year and wears it on her middle finger. That you would spend that much time studying photographs of her that you could identify pieces of her jewellery and when she started wearing it is very very strange to me. I just find that kind of behaviour disturbing. The blind adoration of a celebrity coupled with her aggressive and unpleasant behaviour tells me something ain’t right in her real life.
                    I don’t know why people like LS and Tor feel the need to behave the way they do, I would speculate a feeling of inferiority in there day to day real life leads to a need to bully and harass in the fandom. Or maybe they are just like that. Some girls love the drama and to drag others down.

                    • onoyguyg February 20, 2011 at 3:30 am

                      Not that I’m jumping in to defend in LS or anything, but isn’t the whole fandom like that with RP? And Bobby Long? And Jackson/Kellen/Pfach?

                      It is refreshing to see someone give that sort of attention to their equal female counterparts.

                      I think if it came from someone a little less… abrasive, we might be more willing to turn a blind eye to it as we usually do with the RP fangirls.

                    • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 3:51 am

                      “I think if it came from someone a little less… abrasive, we might be more willing to turn a blind eye to it as we usually do with the RP fangirls.”

                      I admit it, the only big Kstew fan I notice is LS, and that’s because she’s so obnoxious in general. Her lust for Kstew came on fast and furious and I expect it to die out in a similar fashion. I guess that’s what makes it seem an affectation, but I suppose that’s not really the correct word. Maybe inauthentic is more accurate.

                      The only RP fangirls who give me the creeps are the ones posting crotch shots.

                    • Things that make you go hmmmmm? February 20, 2011 at 4:08 am

                      “It is refreshing to see someone give that sort of attention to their equal female counterparts.”
                      The Bobby Long Posts I agree are in the same vain. As for the Rpatz and other guys to me that’s more aren’t they hot. Which let me say I agree with, Rpatz is hot, lol. You do get those with a deeper ‘affection’ shall we say for other cast members I get what your saying. The Kstew posts bother me because of the blind adoration. There have been a number of times when shes got really aggressive when someone has criticised Kristen Stewart in a way that may be warranted if a member of her family had been insulted, but not a celebrity she doesn’t know. Plus it makes people feel intimidated. By all means stick up for her and give your opinion but the kind of hostility she shows towards those who say anything bad about Kstew to me is just not normal behaviour.
                      I could understand it from a young teenage girl but I’m assuming she’s at least in her twenties. All i’m saying is that when you’ve got that kind of attitude coupled with this strange adoration of a celebrity, something else is up (I’d include GAW and Bobby Long in this too although with her TMI posts I’m assuming hers is just a plain old call for attention).

                    • Things that make you go hmmmmm? February 20, 2011 at 4:11 am

                      “The only RP fangirls who give me the creeps are the ones posting crotch shots.”
                      I’m with you on that one, lol.

              • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 1:23 am

                $5 from me : )

          • anonymous February 20, 2011 at 1:19 am

            How about we add jessnotie and custard kisses to the mix. They don’t post at ADF much any more, but back in the day when ADF was confused about what kind of site it was going to be (nice and user-generated/or gazebo 2.0) they used to post a lot and stir so much shit. It’s so funny because isn’t custard kisses married with like 20 kids? So shouldn’t she have better/more important things to do besides spending all day online with 18-22 year olds causing drama?

  19. Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 3:33 am

    From Emibellas twitter:
    “I admit, i put up the adf game because I am looking for reading material. i just folded one load of laundry and it took 30 minutes. yuck.”
    Tsk, Tsk. Naughty naughty all powerful ranger Emibella shouldn’t you wait for the recommendations campfire for that. If you’re not going to follow the ‘rules’ you laid out with such a heavy and offensive hand last week why should we? Ohh i’m sorry I forgot your a ranger, please carry on with your double standards. I”l post a love campfire asap as a way of an apology. Ohh and by all means try and dress it up as a game, if you hadn’t posted that on twitter no one would’ve figured out you were looking for recs. Honestly you’re so much smarter than the rest of us ; )

    • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 3:55 am

      This is a sorry state of affairs when Rangers have different rules than… oh, never mind. It’s just business as usual. 🙂

      • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 4:13 am

        Was that a sarcastic dig at the lovely adf rangers. Shame on you.
        Expect a love campfire in the next 5 mins, tsk, tsk, tsk.

        • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 4:27 am

          Can someone explain these love campfires to me? I haven’t been around ADF very long. They just do it to cover up when they fuck up? what started the trend in the first place?

          • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 4:35 am

            Every time a regular camper steps out of line on ADF, whether it’s unintentionally offending a ranger, or asking a question, or even just expressing an opinion politely… there is guaranteed to be a love post soon after. Love posts are supposed to be filled with admiration and praise for anyone, but they usually end up as testimonials to the awesomeness of the rangers. It’s all a bit nausea-inducing.

            I’m tempted to bring on a love post by questioning why someone put a link up to her kids’ Jump Rope for Hearts donations page. Hey, ALL of our kids are doing that in school.

            • Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 4:46 am

              this place is making me too cynical. My first reaction when I went looking for it just now was that most of her post was one color and then the THANK YOU and the “to make this interactive… was a different color, like she just added them as an afterthought. Which is probably just what they were.

              Also I rolled my eyes when I saw “every little bit helps, even $5”. Um, $5 isn’t really a little bit for something like that. If I’d been begging for my kids charity, I’d say even $1 helps. But I wouldn’t because like you said, everyone’s kid is doing it so why does the first one to post get all the money?

              Dare you to comment and say “And if you’re feeling REALLY generous, here’s MY kids page!” 🙂

              • Anony February 20, 2011 at 5:04 am

                Please tell me you’re joking. Someone asked people on a fanfiction mssg board to buy shit for their kids? Asked for money?
                How about this? Get your ass of your computer. Get a job. Two of them if you have to. That’s what Mom’s/Parents do. They don’t solicite money online from people they don’t know. If you’re house burnt down and were homeless, okay. But if you’re asking this, online, I could only assume you own a computer.
                Oh. Good point. Sell your fucking computer if you’re so hard up.

                • Is that cheese? February 20, 2011 at 5:15 am

                  It’s a fundraiser that schools do to raise money for the American Heart Association. The camper in question posted links if anyone wants to sponsor her kids. So she’s not asking for money to buy anything for herself or her kids, but I find it presumptuous anyway.

                • Ralph S. Mouse February 20, 2011 at 5:21 am

                  I’ll have to respectfully disagree on the computer thing. I know if I tried to sell my computer I’d be lucky to get $150 for it. If I could then only check job postings and my email once a day at the library (and they’re ot open every day) that $150 would be laughable compared to opportunities lost. And right now it’s not like you can just go pick a job off a tree. I don’t like the entitlement that often shows itself on ADF, but the contempt some people have towards those trying to find work in this mess isn’t cool either.

                  • Anony February 20, 2011 at 4:59 pm

                    I stand corrected because You’re right. Given the circumstances, knowing she was solicating for a fundraiser and not for her own personal gain, it puts a new spin on things.

            • Almost Done February 20, 2011 at 5:27 am

              Please. Please do it. Because I’m almost speechless that a campfire like that was approved. I don’t care if it is FFFF…whatever. Do you know how many campers have kids who are collecting for every charity under the sun? Are they going to let EVERYONE post a campfire to collect money for their kid’s charity? Only on the weekends, I suppose.

              • Is that cheese? February 21, 2011 at 8:44 pm

                The barn door was open and all the horses got out. Now we have a new post asking for donations for a fundraiser a camper is doing. I can smell a trend.

            • Hey Nonny Nonny February 20, 2011 at 8:05 am

              God, I’m so glad I wasn’t the only person a little horrified at this. It’s one thing to throw a popcorn or girl scout cookie order form up in the breakroom at work. It’s entirely another thing to ask complete strangers to just donate money to your kids’ school fundraiser.

              It’s nice to know that we can’t talk about thing that are actually happening within the fandom, because it might annoy a ranger, but it’s okay to ask people for money.

  20. Anonymous February 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    I see the love posts have started in the guise of a get to know you posts. Well done GAW, well played. I’m not sure how new members are suppose to introduce themselves when the old timers seem to be hogging most of the campfire and saying how much they love each other. Ohh and also informing us that Jean De Florette is a French novel (who knew?).
    Fingers crossed GAW has received enough validation for one night. If I have to read one more comment about how her gang thinks she’s delightful, wonderful, funny and would happily sacrifice their first born in her name I may vomit. She’s not discussing her vagina or overwhelming us with Bobby Long posts so I suppose we should see that as an improvement.

    • anyone? February 21, 2011 at 1:30 am

      shit, and the twitter post? *groans* seriously, it’s going to be the same five people over and over again. “”she’s my favorite” “no she’s MY favorite”. I’m not even gonna bother because the people I like following most on twitter have absolutely zero to do with this fandom, or are pretty much persona non grata at ADF. I should say my favs twankhard, AG, Voldemort…..

      • All you need is a love post. February 21, 2011 at 2:14 am

        Rolling my eyes at the whole thing. Lets all introduce each other (no not you, we don’t know you), tell each other what we’re reading (ummm hello I started a campfire pick up on the hidden meaning here. God Damn it LOVE ME!!!!), tell us who we should follow on twitter (Terms and conditions apply. Please ensure that any twitter accounts listed adhere to the kiss a rangers arse policy and at least one mod is a close personal friend).

    • Anonymous February 22, 2011 at 2:28 am

      Love posts are only there so all the little cliques can love up on each other or for people to love up on Rangers. But ADF isn’t elitist and cliquey at all! No one would ever feel left out there. Nope. Not at all.

  21. Agent Friday February 28, 2011 at 1:59 am

    I’ll say this: Tor is what she is. A bored, 20-something living at home working at minimum wage job using the internet to make herself feel less of nobody. Those who aren’t “cool” pretend. LS isn’t as pathetic, as at one point she did have a life. She’s an intelligent girl, lonely and isolated. So she gravitates to the bottom feeders because they give her the acceptance she craves. Get the girl a job, some friends, and a boy she would be gone.

    For me, ADF/Gaz are alike. The place where the perceived “outcast” find solace and a bully box to make others feel the way they feel on daily basis. Believe me, the net is the only place where they “cool” or “hip”. I shake my head at them, pet them on the head, and pray they get the help they so desperately need. All in all, I see that whole group as a bunch scared little girls wanting to play grown-up without a clue how to do so. Emotionally stunted, destined to faux hate the very thing they secretly adore so much. They hate on campers because the campers seem to have so much of what they desire. Say what you want about fandom, the majority have lives, commitments, friends, etc. We may not all like all aspects, but most of us in fandom aren’t afraid to live our lives.

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